Curse

UniversalCypher · Oct 16, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

I'd like to see what some of you have discovered..

personally - i think Onslaught is crap..

i believe it used to make all of your skills recharge 25% faster..i have no idea at which point it was nerfed, but now only makes you move and attack 25% faster for a period of time..which we all know, many skills accomplish this without being elite..of course most skills do not combine the effects..but all the same..this skill does not have the function i would associate with being elite..

discuss or post your own..

-UC

Expherious · Oct 16, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Personally I'd like to see more good elites for the dervish unfortunatley its not going to happen, bad play on my part to pick a dervish for my main

Shursh · Oct 16, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

yea pretty bad on it's own, especially since there are cons that do basically the same thing and then you don't waste a skill slot, and an elite one at that...

maybe if they combined Onslaught with Focused Anger or something...that would be sweet, even if they are in different profession lines.

ele pl · Oct 16, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

2 months ago, there was a huge elite skills balance, i hope that there will be another one in the future. But anyway, i need to agree, that Onslaught buff/nerf (whatever you call it) didnt bring this skill to dervishes bars

dilan155 · Oct 16, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

charge is pretty horrible, only time it can be used is if they have no other elite.

Gift3d · Oct 16, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Second Wind
Full: You gain 1 Energy for each point of Energy lost due to Exhaustion. This spell causes Exhaustion.

What the hell, man.

wind fire and ice · Oct 16, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Mist Form,pointless elite.

Also Healers Convenant.

And charge...and allot of other elites im too lazy to list.

GWEXTREEMFAN · Oct 16, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilan155

charge is pretty horrible, only time it can be used is if they have no other elite.

amen^^
remember those days where it was needed for running? q.q
god i miss those days
now you simply can just replace it with enraging charge and take another elite q.q

/signed for charge

Taisayacho · Oct 16, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

The most useless elite it the one in the Junundus before you get Junundu Siege.

Apart from that, Peace and Harmony.

We've had this discussion before.

gremlin · Oct 16, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Its a skill I will never use even if the cost was lower its still pretty average.
Make it cost 5 and last say 30 seconds and I might give it a go.

Many of these skills are all but useless except in very specialised circumstances.
Usually these occur only where they are found.
Anet shot themselves in the foot calling them Elite therefore we expect something really good.

They are mostly creature effect skills that we copy and thus I see them as experimental skills.
Sometimes the experiment turns out good other times not so good.

Hopefully changes will be made to GW2

Winterclaw · Oct 16, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ele pl

2 months ago, there was a failed elite skills balance, i

Fixed it for you.

Tease needs reworked again
Mirror of Ice still stinks
100 Blades is bad
Decapitate is horrible

I could go on, but I'd rather not.

Luminarus · Oct 16, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

In that "failed" elite skill balance they also made some quite nice updates if I recall correctly.

Visions of Regret
Thunderclap
Incendiary Arrows
Experts Dexterity
Melandru's Shot
Aura of Faith
etc

Whilst it make have stuff'd a couple of skill (order of undeath), it wasnt failed, it entirely shifted the meta, along with the gvg update.

Age · Oct 16, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

There doesn't need anything done to charge it is fine.

gameshoes3003 · Oct 16, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

I do not approve of what they did to Scavenger's Focus, and Vampiric Spirit (though others may argue against that).
Withdraw Hexes is still crap, they really got to do something about that.
Amity is still not very good either.
Lacerate is not good either, people would prefer toxicity.
Archer's Signet recharge time is ridiculous thereby rendering it crap.
Melandru's Arrows's duration should be extended, Glass Arrows beat the crap out of it.
Headbutt; sure plague touch after but it's still crap.
Shove; Do a knockdown and lose all of your attack skills because they use adrenaline.
Primal Rage is terrible; they could at least let the warrior use skills.
Hundred Blades; like others say, something's got to be done about this.
Soldier's Stance is rarely chosen as players prefer Frenzy and use an elite attack,
Skull Crack; I'm glad they reduced it to 9 adrenaline way long time ago and made it interrupt anything, but it's still crap.
Stone Sheath; okay... no one uses this?
Ward Against Harm; mainly because it's rarely used.
Second Wind; too risky of a skill.
Feast of Corruption doesn't do enough to make up for it's ridiculous energy cost and recharge time.
Order of Apostasy costs too much and costs too much health.

I don't want to find anymore....

wind fire and ice · Oct 16, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by gameshoes3003

Ward Against Harm; mainly because it's rarely used.

What makes you think ward against harm is rarely used?

Its an awesome elite,that gets used quite a bit in PvE.

Hanging Man · Oct 16, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

peace and harmony - +1 energy gain and ends if ally does or takes damage, not worth it?
primal rage - disables all skills for 10 secs, thats terribad /kill skill or major buff
second wind- dont want more exhaustion ontop of exhaustion :|

thats pretty much my beef

SmokingHotImolation · Oct 17, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Most elites are useless because theres mostly a better alternative.

IronSheik · Oct 17, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

There are too many elites to mention but

Necro

Cultist's Fervor, The sac cost at 16 is what? 15 per spell cast? Necros already have amazing e management, sac is too high

Signet of suffering: Needs lower recharge, has to be coupled with signet stance to ever be used, (Not to mention a hex bar)

Weaken Knees: Just not useful, make it activate on a hex cast or damage while not moving, Make like the old soulbind, Loved that.

Jagged Bones: Make something humans can actually use, This is a hero skill

Warr

Cleave: Needs to add a condition/Damage buff

Hundred Blades: I say make hit 3 times+Unblockable

Charge: Lesser recharge? Or a + recharge and makes the next 1...3 attack skills unblockable, as if ganking the enemy :P

Whirling Axe: Always cause critical? More Damage?

Primal Rage: Ouch, give it some type of effect like RotN, Adrenal skills recharge for 5 seconds

Shove: Give 1...4 Adrenaline?

Decapitate: If Enemy dies from this hit no energy or adrenaline is lost

Steady Stance: Give more energy, as this is always coupled with drunken blows.

Soldier's Stance: Move to Strength, make the IAS unconditional ( Get Real, Already have IAS Buffs, and this being a stance in tactics makes it never used, since warrior shouts suck)

Ranger

Quick Shot: More damage against moving foes?

Melandru's: Glass>Melandru's in every way, Make them unblockable

Poison Arrow: Hi, My name is apply poison, whoru?

Archer's Signet: Make recharge 15 seconds? Change what skill does completely, why the hell do you put a 0 energy skill in a attribute that reduces energy cost

Equinox: Hai, My name is useless

Scavenger's Focus: Hai, I give 5 NRG every 10 seconds

Monk:

Martyr: Heal/Remove hexes from each member hit, +Recharge

Peace and Harmony: 1...4 Energy Regen.

Unyielding Aura: This is only useful now in HB/Mimic teams, The revive function sucks

Amity: Hai, I'm a fire elementalist, u cn no attk?

Boon Signet: Eh...Divine spirit ftw?

Withdraw Hexes: For every hex removed, 7 second recharge? I'll take GoR+Covert Hexes

Scribes Insight: Just not useful

Signet Of Removal: Empathetic>This

Mesmer

Shatter Storm: See Withdraw Hexes

Tease: Doesn't function Properly, I prefer the old shadow walk tease dash combo, Revert Plox

Simple Thievery: Make the skill stolen use domination attribute

Symbols of Inspiration: Better elites.

Extend Conditions: Not useful against a single enemy

Ele:

Mist form: Recharge=45 seconds, Can not get conditions and enemy doesn't gain adrenaline and vamp/other crap doesn't take effect

Energy Boon: LOOOOOOOL

Second Wind: LOOOOOOOL

Stone Sheath: Hai, I'm stone striker

Assassin

Seeping Wound: Skill is now, If Foe is not hexed or suffering from a condition, this skill does nothing, If foe is hexed, Target for suffers from a deep wound and 1...6 Degen for XX Seconds, if foe has deep wound, this skill does nothing

Shroud of Silence: Hai, Blackout here

Way of the Empty Palm: Useless.

Foxes Promise: Meh...Cannot be Blinded?

Wastrel's Collapse: Target foe is knocked down after 5 seconds, ends if skill is used, If hex ends prematurely, That foe and all nearby foes take XX damage

Rit

Signet of Spirits: Hi, OoS here

Tranquil Was Whatshisface: Useless

Destructive was Glaive: Gain 1...2 Nrg Regen while holding

Signet of ghostly Might: Meh...

Para

It's just a flesh wound: Also Heals

Derv

Vow Of Strength: What team doesn't inflict Conditions, This is only useful solo.

Avatar of Grenth: + Damage against hexed foes, OR, Inflicts Shadow Damage

Wounding Strike: Apply the deep wound after bleeding ( Covered DW every 3 seconds=ew)

Onslaught: Meh...buff and add to mysticism

gameshoes3003 · Oct 17, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by wind fire and ice

What makes you think ward against harm is rarely used?

Its an awesome elite,that gets used quite a bit in PvE.

Then show me an ele who would prefer using that compared to nuking or any other build.
And you do not count because of course you would use it since you mentioned it.

Cebe · Oct 17, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

There is a pre-existing, well established thread for discussing elites you want buffed here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ght=buff+elite

Please ensure you search for existing threads before creating new ones.

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